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Re: Nioh

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 3:18 am
by Skiller
Darth Revenger wrote:Well since everyone else spoke their minds and made how they feel about this move/decision known,
Don't worry, you're not the only ones pissed about this. I am as well.
This makes me less likely to buy whatever the next product will be for the next console and I am already semi-regretting my purchase. (Namely because I didn't think this sort of thing would happen when I did so.)
It happen on the Ps3 yet we still bought the Ps4 version . if its the only way to do something its going to happen . and who even knows if the next Device will even have cheat device .
Darth Revenger wrote: It started with Persona 5 and now it's snowballing into this. We shouldn't be punished because of what less scrupulous douchebags do online, that is in no way our fault if we don't take cheats online. They seem to keep forgetting that we paid for this. We didn't pay to have features restricted and codes removed. I kept my cool and edited my post above (The one that says "Nevermind), but seeing Kitsune's post was a bit of last straw for me. Before anyone says it, I'm aware they can do with what they want with it and that's my problem, when things like this happen.
No idea what your talking about with Persona 5, but what a Unofficial Site Decides to follow is up to them as well. if they want to follow the Rules that SW as put out so that maybe stuff that is on the site may get added to the official list then so be it . were you ever part of the CMP we did the same thing there we followed Code device rules. and were able to Main stream our codes on to Every Device out there (Gameshark, Codebreaker, ARmax) we have codes on all official sites.
Darth Revenger wrote: "I would leave it at that." Seriously? If we pay for something, we should be able to criticize it and decisions made without being reprimanded/banned for it. If it were free, that'd be one thing... But it's not and we don't even own it, it's just a subscription/license, which makes it even worse. What happened to the days of actually OWNING the product and being able to do whatever you want with it and no one could stick their grubby hands on it and change it for the worse?
Thats been gone for over 10 years now man. were you been . We dont own anything why do you think u have all them agreements to not do said things with said device when u login to PSN ?
Darth Revenger wrote: I hate online PvP cheaters just as much as you guys, it's because of them that crap like this happens, features gets restricted and codes get removed. What I DON'T like even more is getting punished because of THEIR mistakes.
thats how the world works. this is why people put Bars on windows, buy a gun, not because you did something but because others have.
Darth Revenger wrote: If you're going to do that for Nioh, why not do it for Dark Souls III and Bloodborne as well? After all, there is PvP for that and douchebags abused Save Wizard and hacked/developer PS4s as well. The only difference between those games is that in Nioh, PvP is optional and you can choose whether or not to do it from a menu, but in Bloodborne/Dark Souls III, it's completely forced on you and you're invaded with no choice in the matter.
Who knows it might be on there list.
Darth Revenger wrote: I'm aware that what's done is done, but if no one speaks up, who will? I am sure I will get crapped on for this, but it's worth it to vent rather than keep it bottled up inside and let it explode and feel this was a valid criticism along with others I have that have not been mentioned and are unrelated to this issue.
no crapping just points, all in all what you say is what the normal customer of something would say/feel there is nothing wrong in feeling the way but its not going to change anything. People tend to feel tied down when they cant make the choice of breaking the rule or not breaking the rule on there own terms.
Darth Revenger wrote: I will still use Save Wizard since it's still useful for the other games I own, but I'm not very happy with the decision at all. I only wish others who felt the same way would speak up so as to reduce the chances of features being restricted and codes removed in the future with other games.
i dont think this would change them at all this has always been the way of life when it comes to Cheating they try to keep online effect to a minimum and still give you something for the game. Co-op Seems to be a different story .
Darth Revenger wrote: That's all I have to say about that for now. Keep in mind I'm not attacking anyone here personally or personally insulting them outside of douchebags who cheat in online PvP and I do believe they deserve that moniker.
and yes i have to agree i hate to see this happen as well i hate to have Rules we need to follow my self, the hacker in me says just do what we want let the Devs sort them out .. but in the end with SW doing this this will allow Noih devs to Find the Hacked accounts much faster since 1 right now they be the only ones . there wont be a million others trying to do the same thing because they want to try it.

Nothing against you at all i just though your message was great but was missing some stuff..

Re: Nioh

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:22 am
by KS212
All I can say on this topic is this is a very good example of why companies should not be allowed to retain control of a product you pay for.

All that EULA crap can kiss my ass. It is because people ACCEPT that kind of crap that we are losing consumer rights over OWNERSHIP day after day. If people never accepted EULA from day one, we would still OWN GAMES. Just because all the sheep in the world chose to go in one direction doesn't mean I have to agree with it... I never did!

I am still pissed, today, over how we have lost the right more and more to share saves freely and to cheat on SINGLE PLAYER... All to protect 'online'. Well to me, 'online' is fucking CANCER and seeing as it won't go away, maybe it should be outright destroyed and burnt to the ground. Maybe then we will regain our rights... :evil:

This is why ALL CONSOLES need to be fully hacked and broken day one... this is why PC needs to forever remain the platform of FREEDOM and this is why bullshit like EULA should have been long challenged and destroyed in court. Companies KNOW that it will set the world's biggest precedent so NO COMPANY WILL DARE to fight this battle. Even Valve and their 'no refunds' policy chose to create a refund policy when sued over their EULA for 'no refunds' in Australia. Why? Coz they did not want to be 'the company that destroyed EULA worldwide'. It would have set a HUGE PRECEDENT that EULA was indeed NOT ENFORCEABLE IN COURTS OF LAW and you can imagine the uprisings from there.

IMO, Valve should have not been allowed to back out of it... But they backed out right before they lost and chose to spend hundreds of millions instead as it was BY FAR the less damaging option...

Bah. One day... One day EULA will be destroyed in court, and we can begin the slow march to regaining all the rights that we have lost over the years due to MORONIC SHEEP who don't understand why freedom and ownership MATTERS.

/rant v2

Re: Nioh

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 9:13 pm
by Kitsune
Do all of these rants actually make you guys feel better? I respect that everyone has their opinion but when your opinion is reiterated over and over again, I personally see it as wasting time, especially in a which I consider a trivial matter in this case.

I'm in the same boat as you guys. I bought the product like everyone else, and $50 isn't cheap for me. I have to deal with the same problems, bugs, and other things, same as you guys. If I have an issue I report it. Same with any questions.

I bought Nioh, and returned it the very next day once once saw what kind of game it was. I can't stand Dark Souls style games.

I understand where everyone is coming from on Nioh being removed and some points I agree on, but I support the decision to make it QMO. I reported it being an issue and I am happy it was changed.

I worked with GG for a bit and I know what could have happened. They could have removed the game altogether. But they didn't. If they left it alone we could have gotten a call from Sony. That HAS happened before. I was only a Moderator on the GG Forum then and the order came down from above that all codes relating to Trophies and Online Play had to be remover immediately. I was responsible for taking care of that.

I personally find the backlash on this matter ridiculous. Ye the game is QMO, yes you can't use the User-made Codes. Big deal. Except it isn't. It is a common deal, a common problem.

What is a big deal is the fact that you guys are having someone working on trying to get your codes added to the official list in SW. That isn't an easy task. To be candid, it is a very difficult task.

They have to test all the codes, check for bugs, check for Online issues, check for Trophy issues, make the codes work Globally. It is A LOT of work. Instead of complaining and all the "woe is my life" and "DOWN WITH THE MAN" stuff because of the game being QMO, be appreciative you have people working for you, in your interests.

The only person I can understand being truly angry and having a reason to be over this is Krustytoe because of all the work he did on this.

I understand I am going to probably get a lot of hate from this message, and that doesn't bother me at all. In the end, it is all pointless because the decision has been made and there isn't anything Hackinformer or the Users of SW can really do about it.

Re: QMO Hate thread.

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:28 am
by chris83
It's not about ranting. When GG added games with quick mode, they literally had no strategy. Let's add the game with QM and give the players one or two worthless cheats. This forced players to use free save editors and it will happen again unless things change. I want SW to have a strategic plan and focus on adding more codes for the games that will be QM such as max items or max level for items in storage for Nioh. Will this happen for QM games? I don't know because we have to wait and see where the product goes from here. Unlike GG, SW is subscription based, which means they have to keep existing customers and attract new customers to keep a successful product.

Re: QMO Hate thread.

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 1:29 am
by Skiller
chris83 wrote:It's not about ranting. When GG added games with quick mode, they literally had no strategy. Let's add the game with QM and give the players one or two worthless cheats. This forced players to use free save editors and it will happen again unless things change. I want SW to have a strategic plan and focus on adding more codes for the games that will be QM such as max items or max level for items in storage for Nioh. Will this happen for QM games? I don't know because we have to wait and see where the product goes from here. Unlike GG, SW is subscription based, which means they have to keep existing customers and attract new customers to keep a successful product.
u speak as if they needed to add the game that they added as QMO, they dont need to add the games in reality we are lucky that QMO or online effected games even exist on the list. and you reference a free product that had even less support.. and still cant decrypt games that GG can. the only time a free device gets support is if there are people wanting to use it once people move on no one cares for a free device. half the free devices codes were stolen from the GG database before they locked it up because of them if you did not know about that.

the end goal of a QMO game should be adding something that will not effect the outcome of online that much. Example Everyone can get to max level over time. but no one will ever get to stats that are not able to be achieved in game.

so a max exp code is usable . were maxing stats is not

Also this is not a month subscription this currently is a 2 year subscription . if people keep complaining about them blocking Online side of things who knows what will happen in them 2 years. all it takes is sony or the game Devs to start pushing back. before we see updates and more updates.

Also its best to never call codes useless. because there is always a use for a code or it would not be there .
take it from someone that knows how to make codes has been for over 10 years.

Re: QMO Hate thread.

Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 8:26 pm
by Imparasite
hi anyone got a reply from SW that they will add some user cheats soon???

Re: QMO Hate thread.

Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 11:13 pm
by Concerned Consumer
Well, we were promised we would not be banned or suspended (And hopefully not censored/removed) for speaking our minds, so...
Imparasite wrote:hi anyone got a reply from SW that they will add some user cheats soon???
Don't bother, you'll just be talked down to and they'll do the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and going "LA LA LA LA LA LA, you are all wrong!", while giving you such gems as:

"You should be lucky they even made this and sold you a license/subscription that you never really own, instead of an actual product that you own and can do whatever you want with!" (They should be lucky we even give them $50 for it.)

"You should be more appreciative of all this!" (You would think $50 is appreciative enough... I guess they don't like money.)

Those two arguments only stand and makes more sense if the product were FREE, which it's not.

They'll tell you that you can't do anything as a customer/consumer and even argue (In bullet points/separated quotes too) with you instead of being polite and professional about it and refraining from doing that (Which in itself is a bad PR move for the product), but in truth you can boycott this product or if you still want to use this one, boycott the next one and simply warn/turn your friends and those you know who are interested in it away from it and then you can simply wait for the free, community version a la Bruteforce Save Data. I'm not saying to do this at all and I'm not necessarily saying this is what I'm going to do, I'm just saying they're wrong that there's nothing you can do and that you have no options, when in fact you do. This is a niche product to begin with, so it won't see as much business/profits as something a lot more commercial and mainstream.

Look, the bottom line is we don't hate Save Wizard and we don't hate the people behind it and we're NOT trying to do anything bad here, we're just disappointed in the move they made and the steps they took and we're simply expressing our concerns about it. We are simply doing our best to constructively criticize it in hopes it isn't repeated and the product gets better. WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DID IT, we just don't like it or approve of it as paying customers and all we were doing is simply saying why we don't. I believe we have that right just as much as you have the right to respond the way you did. But don't tell us we don't have options.

There is no "mindless rant" or "down with the man" conspiracy theory, it's nothing like that. No one likes being dismissed or censored like that.

I am sure most of us have nothing personal at all against you, so try not to take or make it personal. We aren't simply trying to be mean or rude, we might be a little frustrated, sarcastic and maybe even venting, but usually nothing further than that.

Re: QMO Hate thread.

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 12:45 am
by ss4gogeta069
Ok, I'm gonna try to do this as "polite" as I can. You can't say you understand why something was done and then turn around and complain about it. If you understand then just accept it. It was done bc pvp was ADDED to Nioh. If it happens to other games then it's bc they're trying to stop people who will use their device to cheat online. Your complaining and whining does nothing to "change their mind or prevent it from happening again" as I can assure you it will. There will either be games that are QMO or they can simply not put them on at all. If you would rather have no codes just tell me and I can assure you they will be glad to not put in the time and effort of coding these games, for free I might add, for everyone. Yes, the developers of the product make money but the coders don't usually. They do it bc they like helping you guys and they enjoy hacking saves. There will be absolutely no more responses in this thread from me, and prob none from anyone else involved, bc it gets old repeating myself. Nobody said you had to like it. Nobody told you that you would have unhindered access to all saves for all games added. You just feel entitled bc you paid $50. So did a lot more people not complaining. The end.

Re: QMO Hate thread.

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 3:40 am
by PikaFiend
This is just going to be quick. I have one point of contention to address, and it is as such;

You may not like it, that's fine, don't like things all you want. Your approval, however, is unnecessary. Being a customer and not someone who has any say in the operations of their business, they don't need your approval to make changes to their product, even ones that you disapprove of, in order to protect their business from action being taken against it as a result of misuse. You still have some codes for the game, you're still able to use the product freely and at your own leisure. Find a way to enjoy what you've got in front of you, instead of mounting long winded, yes, rants about what's not in front of you. You might find it's a more productive use of your time than caterwauling to an audience that can do little to nothing about what you are upset about.

Re: QMO Hate thread.

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 5:28 am
by chris83
There are at least two codes that could be added such as Max items (9999) and Max level weapons. The max level weapon cheat would be nice because it is really rare to forge a 210 weapon for Nioh. However, we might not see a long PS4 cycle, if the rumors are true about the PS5. What does that have to do with this topic? Well, I'm not sure about others, but a two-year subscription for SW is all that is needed if the rumors prove to be true. There might be some free save editors out there later for the PS4, but no one really knows. If it is a free save editor, it most likely won't be called Bruteforce, a program that was terrible. The individual game save editors worked better than Bruteforce itself.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/play ... ws-rumours